This is a common experience among atheists who attempt to debate theists, the theist will claim that they have objective proof that God is real, but they’re not going to present it because atheists won’t believe it anyhow. This happened again recently when a theist, who I think ended up getting banned from the forums for being such an ass, started making the same kind of arguments that we’ve all seen before.
He said, “Back about February I said I would present my scholarly research showing that there are seven written eyewitness records of Jesus contained within sources underlying the four canonical gospels, but that I would wait until April 15th when my tax season business was done. Soon I changed that, that I saw no indication that DC&R was a place for serious discussion. ” Sure he would. We all know better. It would not be a scholarly research paper, it would be nothing more than empty, unsupported claims. In fact, he pointed to several other posts he had made where he claimed that atheists refused to engage him and were trying to “shut down debate”, but all of those posts were simply unsupported assertions, calls to faith and the like. I pointed this out to him and said that if he had done some research, he should present it, or better yet, publish a book on the subject for all to read.
Of course, that didn’t work, there’s always an excuse. Now he tried this: “I should state here that three years ago on Theology Web I was developing the aforesaid Thesis and was using the internet to test out whether I had anything worth trying to promote. I was open to being refuted. (I can’t even prove that, it’s true, because all the files on TWeb were lost in a catastrophic computer crash there in 2013. TWeb has since reopened without what was lost. I next experimented with FreethoughtandRationalismDiscussionBoard, but the atheists in charge there closed down their Biblical History Forum and eventually their website when they could not refute me. But I can’t prove that either.) I assumed, in fact, that there must be a flaw in such an enormous reversal of current scholarship whether evangelical or anti-Christian. I still could be wrong, but the prime case against my Thesis is that no one else believes it. “The Consensus must be right”, they all say, even though everyone admits that the Consensus is just indeed that, a mere convention that the gospels are not by eyewitnesses BECAUSE they are dated after 70 A. D. It ain’t necessarily so!” Ah yes, he *HAD* evidence, but it’s all gone now so he can’t present it! I see how it is.
And finally, the kicker, when it became obvious that he wasn’t getting the responses he wanted and didn’t like me pointing out that he was following a very typical and predictable apologist path. He said, “No, I’m nothing like any of the Christians you have ever encountered.” Yes you are. You are exactly like most Christian apologists I have ever encountered. You make unsupported claims without any objective evidence, then when this simple fact is pointed out, you insist that you can prove it, you just won’t, or there’s some reason that evidence is not available, but you assure us that it really exists. Sound familiar? It certainly does to me.
This is exactly what the conspiracy theorists do, of course, they don’t have any evidence either but they’ll sure tell you that they do, even if they refuse to present it because nobody would listen to them, everyone is part of the conspiracy. By definition, anyone who doesn’t take them at their word must be part of the conspiracy, otherwise they’d certainly accept these entirely unsupported claims as utterly true, right?
Way back in episode 30 of The Bitchspot Report Podcast, we talked about the similarities between apologists and conspiracy theorists and found that they shared just about all of the major problems and all of the same fallacies. Paranoia, arrogance, the inability to answer direct questions and present evidence, obsessive dedication to the truth of their claims in the face of overwhelming proof that they’re wrong, etc. In fact, the similarities are so striking that I consider religious apologetics to just be a form of conspiracy theory and it’s no surprise that the most religious people tend to buy into conspiracy theories or embrace conspiracy concepts in their religious beliefs. Remember, the world is out to get Christians, right?
So I have no doubt this guy will just vanish into the ether, still believing that he’s beat us all. After all, according to him, “ I think I am getting the best of an atheist, deist, or agnostic, so they stop replying to me.” No, they stop responding to you because what you say is a joke and you’re not rational enough to recognize it. However, he’ll never admit his own failures because admitting his beliefs are wrong is tantamount to admitting that the religious beliefs that define him are faulty and he’ll never, ever allow that to happen.
It’s sad when people are so ignorant, they can’t even recognize how ignorant they are.