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Make Up Your Mind on Race

black-women-tv-collageOkay, this makes no sense at all and I really want people to explain it to me.  On the one hand, you’ve got liberals demanding that we treat black people the same as we treat white people because everyone is equal.  I’m entirely on board with that because not only does everyone deserve equal treatment under the law, the color of one’s skin really says nothing about their individual character.  You have rich white men and rich black men, you have brilliant white women and brilliant black women, you have good white people and bad white people, good black people and bad black people, treating anyone differently because of their skin color and not because of their character is absurd.  This should have been settled a very, very long time ago.

But then I started hearing, with regard to TV shows, that shows had to hire black writers because white writers were not able to accurately produce dialogue for black characters and I just had to throw my hands up.  Okay, what the hell is a black character, other than someone who happens to be black?  Are we now supposed to think that black people all act the same?  Wasn’t there a controversy when people used to think that black people all looked the same, now it’s apparently fine, coming from the “black community” that all of them are supposed to act the  same?  What  gives?

This seems to be the modern reality though, the “black community” wants to have spokesmen that speak for every single black person in the nation.  Blacks have to believe the same things.  They have to want the same things.  They have to talk the same way and act the same way, to the point that being black is little more than a stereotype now and it’s the “black community” that’s really pushing that view.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when did colorblindness become out of fashion on the left?  Isn’t that what we’re all supposed to be going for?  That it shouldn’t matter what color someone’s skin is, everyone is an individual, everyone isn’t judged by their skin color but by their character, that people are just people and nothing else matters?  The whole concept of a “black character” should be meaningless.  It should be a character who just so happens to be black.  You shouldn’t be able to decide what they’re going to act like, what they’re going to think or believe or anything else, just based on the color of their skin.  You don’t have Obama out talking like some ghetto rapper or a middle-class suburbanite, they’re all individuals, not racial stereotypes.  But no… only black people can write lines for black people because black people are inherently different from white people on account of being black.  How is this progress on race again?  I just don’t see it.

Just what the hell is going on here?

Bizarre Ideas on Egalitarianism

shutterstock_103547705This is a new one and it leaves me shaking my head.  There’s a supposed theist, although I’d say he’s a troll if he hadn’t been around for so long, making the argument that atheists can’t be egalitarians because people aren’t actually equal.  Everyone isn’t an identical clone of each other, thus there can be no actual equality.  We’ve tried to explain what egalitarianism means and either he can’t get it through his head or he has no interest in getting it through his head.  In either case, it’s really just a lost cause.

Then he goes on to claim that only Christians can be egalitarians because he says that God created everyone equally.  Dude, read your Bible!  The Old Testament is filled with people being absolutely unequal!  If everyone is equal, why did God adopt a particular group of people as his chosen?  If everyone is equal, why does the Bible promote slavery and sexism?  If everyone is evil, why did God have the Israelites mow down various and sundry cultures?  If everyone is evil, why doesn’t everyone go to heaven regardless of what they believe?  He’s also an outspoken opponent of gay marriage on religious grounds.  He’s got a really bizarre idea of equality.

Yet the more I think about it, maybe this explains why so many theists have such a bizarre position on equality.  Maybe they think that God created everyone evil and then just turn off their brains at that point, unwilling or unable to consider the actual evidence for their claim.  Of course, it isn’t just the Christians, I’ve seen Muslims making the same kind of equality claims while being perfectly fine with killing anyone who offends their religious sensibilities, demanding death for apostates, etc.  Some people are apparently more equal than others.

The other possibility is that they really have no clue what people are talking about when they bring up egalitarianism and unfortunately, I see this among some on the right as well.  They equate egalitarianism with demanding quotas and the like, which is utterly ridiculous.  Egalitarianism is treating everyone equally under the law, giving them the same rights and privileges and protections as everyone else.  There is no bonus for being a particular gender or race or sexual orientation or religion, nor is there any detriment.  What you get in the genetic lottery shouldn’t propel you forward or hold you back, it depends on what you do with your life that matters.  No discrimination but no quotas.  Everyone has equal opportunity but is not guaranteed equal outcome.  It isn’t that difficult.

So why are so many people unable to get it through their heads?

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #2.4

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If You’re Happy and You Know it, You’re Gay!

As the Supreme Court prepares to hear arguments for gay marriage, we take on four stories of political and religious import about the potential consequences of the coming decision.  Then, just to lighten the mood, we take a quick look at one of Japan’s more ridiculous religious cults, Happy Science!
So get thee to the podcast and have a jolly gay time!

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #54

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This week, Cephus and Mike look at the recent Chinese railroad knife attack, David Yonggi Cho, founder of the world’s largest megachurch gets convicted of theft, Americans are becoming sharply more favorable toward gay issues and the Catholic Church blames a Minnesota mom for not protecting her son from a pedophile priest.  Plus, we talk about where our views differ from the neo-cons.  All this and more in one 90-minute package!

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #51

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Wow, there’s some really bad audio this week, which is too bad because we have a lot of important stuff to talk about.  Bear with us as the Devil messes with Mike’s recording setup as we complain about Vicky Hartzler and he claims that abortions stop a man’s fundamental right to be a father, we cheer over the Texas Board of Education returning to sanity and demanding actual science in science textbooks, we argue for equality in a Canadian debacle over religious law students and yet another Catholic Diocese files for bankruptcy to get out of paying it’s just dues to more than 350 sex abuse victims.  Oh, and we address a complaint from last week’s show that we shouldn’t ever argue for violence, even against those who are being violent to others.  We try anyhow, just listen to the show, you’ll see what I mean.

Tolerance and Equality

toleranceI recently had a discussion where a theist said that atheists were intolerant of religion and that they should strive for equality.  I’ll handle the second part first, just to be contrary.  It really strikes me as funny that the religious say they want equality when that’s never how Christians have operated in the Western world, nor how Muslims operate in the Middle East right now.  If you don’t historically care about equality, why should we?  Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think all people ought to be equal, I just find it funny that the same group of people who have shown complete inequality to everyone else when they were on top, now acts like it’s a horrible thing that they’re not being shown equality when the situation is starting to get reversed.  You might even say it’s a bit of hypocrisy.  Besides, they’re not going to reciprocate, the entire point of sectarian religion is that it’s superior, not equal.  They believe that their god is real and all other gods are false.  They believe that they are the chosen people of their deity and everyone else is not.  They believe they are  going to eternal paradise and everyone else is going to fry in perdition forever.  This seems very one-sided, doesn’t it?

Then we have the other bit.  Should we be tolerant or give equality to child molesters?  Should we be tolerant of sex offenders?  How about murderers?  Religion is harmful.  Just look at the long and disgusting list of religious horrors in the Religious Horror Show.  There is nothing in religion that I care to support.  As I’ve said, there is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide to the world that cannot be served as well or better through wholly secular means.  It makes no sense to pretend to tolerate things that are intolerable and I think that religion is intolerable.

But let’s  get one thing clear, there is a difference between tolerance and support.  I am tolerant of your right to believe whatever ridiculous mythological bullshit you want.  I am not tolerant of you trying to force it on others through force of law, or of your religion getting special rights and privileges in society.  I am not tolerant of you trying to push your beliefs on school children or the vulnerable.  You can believe what you want, your rights to do so stop when your beliefs impact the lives of others who do not voluntarily opt in to them.  Let’s be honest anyhow, they’re asking for things they’re not willing to provide themselves.  Religious apologists are only too happy to attack other religions, or the lack of religion, day in and day out.  Not only do they attack anything these religions or non-religions do, they attack the very fact that people hold these beliefs or lack of beliefs!  They want complete tolerance from others, they give none of their own.

It seems to me that the religious fundamentally misunderstand a reciprocal relationship.  They don’t want to be equal, they want to return to the state of being superior.  It’s like slave owners asking for a return to slavery under the  guise of tolerance and equality.  It’s a fundamentally unequal situation trying to worm it’s way under the radar by asking for equality.

So no, I’m not going to be tolerant of something I find totally intolerable, I’m not going to grant equality to something that has no interest in being equal.  If you want to sign on for complete and total equality across the board, great.  If you want to get rid of those intolerable elements of your belief system, I’m with you, but we both know that’s not part of your agenda and until it is, I’ll happily remain intolerant and inequitable toward your religious beliefs but it’s not me that’s to blame, it’s the nonsense that you believe.

Equality Takes a Bitch-Slap

beating-wifeI ran into an interesting feminist discussion today and I think it shows exactly where the minds of a lot of feminists are.  Someone asked if, in the modern age of equality, if a woman slapped a man, would it be appropriate for the man to slap her back.  The same goes for punches, kicks, etc.  Power for power, force for force, equal across the board.  Tons of men were saying that no, there is simply no reason a man should ever hit a woman, but I, nasty person that I am, had to pipe up and ask why.  If women want to be truly equal to men, shouldn’t they take the good with the bad?  I asked if there was one justification, aside from tradition, that anyone could give me that would logically make this position valid.

Then the feminists started chiming in.  They couldn’t give me a single excuse, outside of being a cultural or traditional taboo, why men shouldn’t hit women.  They claimed that said taboo was still valid and should remain so.  I pointed out that, traditionally, women didn’t have equal rights to men and if one tradition is valid, why not all of them?  They mulled that one over for a while, but then came back with “feminism is just about equal wages!”

Bullshit.  Equality is about equality.  If women want to be equal to men, and I wholly advocate that they ought to be, it needs to be equality across the board.  Sure, there are a very few factors, based on different biologies, that need to be taken into account, but for the most part, if a man can do it and a woman can do it, then they both ought to be expected to do it.  Lots of feminists want all the good, they want all of the equality when it comes to wages and promotions and benefits, but where women have had standing over men, they don’t want to lose any of that.  They don’t want to have to sign up for the draft.  They don’t want to lose their superior position when it comes to child custody or spousal support.  They don’t want to serve the same prison sentences that men do for equivalent crimes.  They want their cake and want to eat it too.

Some of them are even honest about it, even if they try to pass it off as a joke.  One woman popped up and said women don’t want to be equal, they  want to be superior.  I think that’s more true than most feminists are willing to admit.

Now I don’t advocate that anyone go around hitting anyone, this is a purely theoretical exercise, it is one though that has a troubling conclusion.  I fear that a lot of men who have been raised with a particular gentlemanly bent, who have been trained since childhood that women are to be placed on a pedestal may very well get that chivalrous belief abused by some women who are only too happy to pretend that give and take consists only of take.

Revenge Politics

Backstabbing: Easier than being equal

It always amazes me how little interest most groups of people in the U.S. have in actual equality.  Oh sure, they talk a good game, they claim they want equal rights, equal treatment, equal pay, but when it comes right down to it, most of them don’t want any of that.  They want to be better.  They want revenge on those other groups that have traditionally kept them down.

There’s an unfortunate trend, especially in America but I would assume it goes on everywhere, for groups to fight for equality and demand equivalent treatment, but then turn around and kick other groups in the face because they want their pound of flesh.  Many of these are groups who claim to be rational and logical and simply want their place in the sun alongside everyone else, that all “men” were “created” equal and thus, everyone ought to be.

Yet you have tons of blacks who are blatantly racist against whites.  You have tons of women who are blatantly sexist against men.  You even have gay people who openly discriminate and hate straight people.  The poor want to string up the rich.  I even see it in the atheist community where the non-religious want to discriminate against the religious.

You’d think that most of these people would recognize the pain and suffering that such discriminatory thinking brings.  Having been so recently afflicted with hatred and discrimination, you’d think these people would be the last to throw anyone else under the proverbial bus, to cause the kind of pain and suffering which they had, until recently, suffered.  Nope, they’re at the front of the line.

What’s worse is how blind some, especially liberals, are to the whole mess.  They’re quick to point out how group X is racist, yet entirely ignore that group Y, the group they embrace, are just as racist.  I think we can see this very clearly in the now largely defunct Atheism+ movement.  They were quick to point out sexism, but only sexism perpetrated by men on women.  When it was women sexists in question, they never said a word.  I’ve found examples outside of Atheism+ though, in particular, lots of talk about racism pre-election, but only racism against Obama.  I pointed out that Obama’s side, even the people closest to Obama, were blatantly racist and got nothing.  These people were against racism, but only racism of whites against minorities.  When it was black racism, you got crickets.  Their version of social justice was entirely one-side and mono-directional.  They were very open about it too.  White, male, wealthy, heterosexual, “privileged” and gender-normative is bad.  Anything else is fine.  Why?  Because they are all biased against those characteristics.  They don’t want equality with that type of person, they want to rip down that type of person in favor of anyone who doesn’t share those characteristics.

Recently, there’s been an outbreak movement among some atheists to focus on “men’s issues”, clearly a means to fight against the recent rampant radical feminism displayed by Atheism+.  I am asked, please give to “men’s issues”.  My answer is no, for the same reason I don’t give to “women’s issues”.  I don’t support men’s issues, I don’t support women’s issues.  I don’t support black issues, I don’t support white issues.  I don’t support gay issues, I don’t support straight issues.  I support human issues.  I do not and will not take sides.  I think every man and every woman should get equivalent pay given equivalent education, skills and experience.  I think every black criminal and every white criminal should get equivalent sentencing given equivalent crimes.  I think if you’ve got straight marriage, there ought to be gay marriage.  I think the atheist community ought to be more focused on anti-theism (being against religion) and less on anti-theist (being against the people who practice religion), I can’t tell you how often I see direct personal attacks on individuals fly by on Twitter.  I will say, I spend a fair amount of time being honestly embarrassed to be seen as an atheist alongside these blatant believer-haters.

In general, I think we all need to stop worrying about who has differently colored skin or different genitalia and start worrying about being better, more intelligent, more rational, more responsible people overall.  Be honest in your goals.  Do you want to be equal or do you want to take revenge?  If the former, I support you fully.  If the latter, go screw yourself.  We’re never going to get anywhere if the only goal you have is stepping on the head of the people who used to step on your head.  I can understand the desire for revenge, I also realize that it’s not going to solve the problem.

So please, stop asking me to support a particular side’s problems.  I give to charitable causes equally.  I support breast cancer research, I also support prostate cancer research, in fact, I’m even more interested in pancreatic cancer research, which is a horrible, horrible way to die, and if affects men and women equally.  I will never give a penny to a cause because of the gender, skin color, sexual orientation or birth gender of the individual or the cause.

I care about people, not differences.  I only respect people who do the same.

Equality is a Two-Edged Sword

My wife and I did a marathon session of Non-Prophets episodes over the weekend, now that they’ve finally put up the audio podcasts, and in one of the most recent episodes, while talking about the sexism kerfluffle, Matt Dillahunty told a story about a friend’s sister, many years ago, where they had an attraction to each other and, while he was too nervous to make an advance, eventually she wrote on a window “want to fuck?”  And apparently, they did.

What I realized that illustrates is the inherent double standard of the modern women’s right movements.  What the sister did above is entirely acceptable to most people, but had the situation been reversed and Matt had written that on the window, many women would have seen that as harassment.  So which is it?  If you want equality, you can’t treat one situation any differently than you do the other.

But do they want equality?  That’s a question that seems to hover over various rights movements.  I’m convinced that for most, they don’t.

See, I think we do best with just one standard.  There should only be one standard for men and women, we ought to be a gender-blind society.  There should be only one standard for people of various races, we ought to be a color-blind society.  There should be only one standard for people of various sexual preferences, we ought to be a preference-free society.  The problem, however, is that there isn’t, and many of these double standards are not put forward by the dominant group, but by the group that has fought for their equality, then doesn’t want to be equal, they want to be better!  Not only do they want equal rights, they want special rights on top of them to “make up for” all the time they didn’t have those rights.  In looking at the above example, a feminist might not only want the right not to be harassed, which I entirely agree with, but they might want the right to harass and show their sexual freedom, because they had to go without for so long.  That I have a problem with.  Either harassment is right or it is wrong, but it must be the same for everyone, regardless of gender.  If it would have been wrong for Matt to suggest sex on a window, it should also be wrong for the sister to do the same thing.

Equality isn’t always a positive thing either, with the good will always come the bad.  Now while I have seen some women, especially women in the military, want the same treatment as men, most, and especially liberal women, do not.  They don’t want to be front-line combat troops.  They don’t want to be drafted.  They want the good, they don’t want the bad.

It’s all or nothing though.  Take it or leave it.  You want to be equal, be equal.

In fact, another example that just occurred to me, my wife and I watched the G4 coverage of San Diego Comicon a while back and the co-host was John Barrowman, former Dr. Who companion and the star of Torchwood.  He’s also gay.  Now I have no problem with John, I’ve talked to him many times, I think he’s a nice guy.  However, the whole time he was on TV, he was going “look at the ass on that guy!”  Lots of people laughed, the first dozen times he did it.  If he had been straight and going “hey, look at the tits on that chick!” he’d have been thrown off the stage.  Serious double standard.

I’m all in favor of equality, but only if it’s actual equality.  If it’s okay for a man to do it, it’s okay for a woman to do it.  If it’s not okay for a man to do it, it shouldn’t be okay for a woman to do it.  That’s equality.  One standard, it’s all we need.  We can do the same between blacks and whites, gays and straights, atheists and theists, you name it.  Everyone ought to be equal and nobody ought to get different treatment to make up for something in the past.

Equality starts today.  Either want to be fully equal or stop whining about it.