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The Bitchspot Report Podcast #2.28

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The Bitchspot Report Podcast #2.5

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Violence & Marriage

This time out, we tackle creationism in the classroom, religious violence in the art gallery, political answers for Baltimore and everyone’s hatred of the NSA.  Then we spend some time taking on the libertarian argument that the government has no business in marriage and why marriage is actually valuable to society.
We’re not a boy band this week but you’ll want to listen anyhow!

 

Admiral, there be Raelians here!

UFOlandI mentioned over on Atheist Revolution that I had been engaged in a discussion with a self-identified Raelian.  You know, those crazy people who think that life on Earth came from the stars and we’re going to go home to these “gods” one day?  Well, Iamanatheist, who does the excellent I Am an Atheist and This is Why blog, asked me to write a post about it so here goes.

It is surprising that there really isn’t much difference in tactics between the Raelian and almost any theist you might pick. They make the same kind of irrational claims, they lack any evidence whatsoever for their beliefs and they misuse science.  In fact, this guy was only too happy to provide Christian creationist sources as proof against evolution.  He provided a “reading list”, including creationist frauds Michael Behe and William Dembski, as follows:

Stephen C. Meyer, “The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories,”Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, Vol. 117(2):213-239 (2004) (HTML).

Michael J. Behe, “Experimental Evolution, Loss-of-Function Mutations, and ‘The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution,’”The Quarterly Review of Biology, Vol. 85(4):1-27 (December 2010).

Douglas D. Axe, “Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds,”Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 341:1295–1315 (2004).

Michael Behe and David W. Snoke, “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues,”Protein Science, Vol. 13 (2004).

William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search,”Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics, Vol. 14 (5):475-486 (2010).

Ann K. Gauger and Douglas D. Axe, “The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzyme Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway,”BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(1) (2011).

Ann K. Gauger, Stephanie Ebnet, Pamela F. Fahey, and Ralph Seelke, “Reductive Evolution Can Prevent Populations from Taking Simple Adaptive Paths to High Fitness,”BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010 (2) (2010).

Vladimir I. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov, “The ‘Wow! Signal’ of the terrestrial genetic code,”Icarus, Vol. 224 (1): 228-242 (May, 2013).

Joseph A. Kuhn, “Dissecting Darwinism,”Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings, Vol. 25(1): 41-47 (2012).

Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II, “Evolutionary Synthesis of Nand Logic: Dissecting a Digital Organism,”Proceedings of the 2009 IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man, and Cybernetics, pp. 3047-3053 (October, 2009).

Douglas D. Axe, Brendan W. Dixon, Philip Lu, Stylus: A System for Evolutionary Experimentation Based on a Protein/Proteome Model with Non-Arbitrary Functional Constraints,”PLoS One, Vol. 3(6):e2246 (June 2008).

Kirk K. Durston, David K. Y. Chiu, David L. Abel, Jack T. Trevors, “Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins,”Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, Vol. 4:47 (2007).

David L. Abel and Jack T. Trevors, “Self-organization vs. self-ordering events in life-origin models,”Physics of Life Reviews, Vol. 3:211–228 (2006).

Frank J. Tipler, “Intelligent Life in Cosmology,”International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2(2): 141-148 (2003).

Michael J. Denton, Craig J. Marshall, and Michael Legge, “The Protein Folds as Platonic Forms: New Support for the pre-Darwinian Conception of Evolution by Natural Law,”Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 219: 325-342 (2002).

Stanley L. Jaki, “Teaching of Transcendence in Physics,”American Journal of Physics, Vol. 55(10):884-888 (October 1987).

Granville Sewell, “Postscript,” in Analysis of a Finite Element Method: PDE/PROTRAN (New York: Springer Verlag, 1985).

A.C. McIntosh, “Evidence of design in bird feathers and avian respiration,”International Journal of Design & Nature and Ecodynamics, Vol. 4(2):154–169 (2009).

Richard v. Sternberg, “DNA Codes and Information: Formal Structures and Relational Causes,”Acta Biotheoretica, Vol. 56(3):205-232 (September, 2008).

Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig and Heinz Saedler, “Chromosome Rearrangement and Transposable Elements,”Annual Review of Genetics, Vol. 36:389–410 (2002).

Douglas D. Axe, “Extreme Functional Sensitivity to Conservative Amino Acid Changes on Enzyme Exteriors,”Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 301:585-595 (2000)

William A. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998).

Now I’m pretty certain he just pulled that list off a creationist website, he clearly hasn’t actually read many, if any of these books, he hasn’t understood the content and it’s absolutely certain that he’s never verified anything in any of these articles.  As with creationists, finding anything that purports to poke holes in evolution becomes their go-to source.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if those sources find your beliefs absolutely absurd.

So why does this guy believe in aliens?  His very first post spells it out.

I am tired of looking for evidence of aliens to explain my lack of belief in God and evolution. I think there is enough biological information out there to promote some sort of intelligence speeding up the process so that we don’t have to waste all this time and it makes the earth more ecologically diverse that way. Proteins can even create other proteins. What do you guys think?

Yeah, after the smoke stops coming out of your ears and you stop shaking your head at the abject stupidity, then he goes into why he believes in Rael and all of that crap.  Logic.  He’s doing it wrong.  But seriously, he looks for evidence of aliens because he doesn’t believe in God and he doesn’t believe in evolution.  God I can understand, but evolution?  Yes, it’s idiocy galore, exactly like the creationists.  It all goes downhill from there.  People ask him questions, he has no real answers, he just makes up more crap, just like Christians. It went into the same kind of irrational spiral that any discussion with theists goes in, with most people just giving up on having any kind of intelligent debate because the theist simply isn’t capable.

I really didn’t identify as many differences between this Raelian and your run of the mill theist, just as I don’t know that there’s much different between a theist and a conspiracy theorist or any other irrational believer.  It isn’t the specific beliefs that are the problem, it’s the inane irrationality underpinning it all and there are only so many ways to do crazy, regardless of what you believe.  Honestly, that’s kind of disappointing.

 

Planet of the Apes: An Apt Example

Planet of the ApesRecently, I sat down and watched all five of the original Planet of the Apes movies again.  It has been many years since I’ve seen them, but it immediately struck me that the plot of the first Planet of the Apes movie was very appropriate to the creation/evolution “debate”.

In the movie, Dr. Zaius, chief scientist and defender of the faith, knows the real history of his world, he knows that evolution is true but he can’t bear to let anyone else know.  Instead, he imprisons those who violate the religious order and discredits anyone who doubts the ape scriptures.

Doesn’t that sound pretty familiar?

In the original 1968 film, Dr. Zira asks Zaius, “how can scientific truth be heresy?”  However, Zaius and the rest of the tribunal of orangutan elders holds that it is, no matter how much evidence there might be for it, they refuse to see it.  Near the end of the film, after Taylor and Nova escape into the forbidden zone and Zaius leads troops to recapture or kill them, they come upon a cave where Cornelius had led an archaeological expedition.  There, they found human artifacts including a child’s doll.  Zaius refuses to even go into the cave, he doesn’t care what evidence is there, all he cares about is his doctrinal purity.  In fact, much of what we see in Planet of the Apes is a topsy-turvy replay of the concepts behind the Scopes Monkey Trial.  Today, we see the same thing among modern-day creationists, they can’t possibly be so stupid not to know that evolution is supported by an absurd amount of evidence, they just don’t care.  They are only concerned with doctrinal purity, not factual reality.

One interesting bit from the film that I’d really like to be true comes at the end of the movie when Cornelius, Zira and Taylor take Zaius prisoner and he admits, perhaps not in so many words, that he knows it won’t be long before the old ways come down but he’s going to fight for them for as long as he possibly can.  I’m hoping that today, almost 50 years later, creationism and other such primitive beliefs are in their death throes.  They deserve to be and the sooner they become a relic of primitive human thought, the better.  We’re better than that as a species, isn’t it about time we stop letting these monkey assemblies run the intellectual argument over human origins?  Cornelius and Zira had it right.  Evolution happens.  The orangutans had it wrong.  Religion is nonsense.  Unfortunately, Charlton Heston turned out to be a creationist all along.  I guess you can’t win them all.

The Stupidity is Strong With This One

creationistsEvery time I think I’ve seen the stupidest thing that a theist can say, I come across something worse.  I ran across this on a forum and the number of people pointing out just how stupid this guy is was quite amazing.  Of course, this dipstick has no clue what evolution is, it wasn’t long after this that he started talking about the Big Bang and abiogenesis and all that, things that have nothing to do with evolution at all, but even after being corrected, he doesn’t care.  It interferes with his mindless belief in the Bible and that’s all he needs to invent absurd crap about it.  Honesty and education are two things that never impinge on his thought processes.

So here we go, his first post, in its entirety.  How many fallacies can you spot?

First – evolution being the work of God is fine and not racist because God created all people as equal.

Taking the Creator God out of the “evolution” has that theory as racist indeed.

The thing is that the claim that evolution is just some happen-chance or non-Godly event is thereby claiming that the African people are the lower evolved while the white race is the highest evolve.

This makes so the Atheist idea of evolution is just a new guise of the never ending racism, and that is also the motivation for keeping God out of the equation even when the evidence is there of the Creator God.

There really is no sensible reason for a religious person to deny the obvious truth of evolution except for the Atheist intrusion in that the Atheist evolution thereby promotes injustice and iniquity against any person or group of people who are deemed to be lower evolved.

So let’s look at some of the most absurd parts of this, shall we?

First – evolution being the work of God is fine and not racist because God created all people as equal.

Well clearly that’s not true.  God didn’t create all people as equal or the Hebrews wouldn’t be God’s chosen people! He picked one particular racial sub-group to be his favored people and suddenly God isn’t racist? What about the Australian aboriginal peoples?  What about Eskimos? What about the indigenous American peoples?  What about Asians?  All of these people were around at the time this was going on, God was simply ensuring that none of these races could hear the “Good Word” and even if they did, they couldn’t be saved.  God is a serious racist.

The thing is that the claim that evolution is just some happen-chance or non-Godly event is thereby claiming that the African people are the lower evolved while the white race is the highest evolve.

Nobody claims that.  Oh, wait a minute, the religious claim that!  You have to remember that at the core of American slavery was Christianity who taught that the African people were descended from Ham and therefore, sub-human and only fit to serve their white masters.  Someone is projecting a bit, I think.

This makes so the Atheist idea of evolution is just a new guise of the never ending racism, and that is also the motivation for keeping God out of the equation even when the evidence is there of the Creator God.

Oh, there’s evidence, is there?  Where is this evidence?  He has it, he just won’t show you!  Hmmm, seems I wrote about that recently…

There really is no sensible reason for a religious person to deny the obvious truth of evolution except for the Atheist intrusion in that the Atheist evolution thereby promotes injustice and iniquity against any person or group of people who are deemed to be lower evolved.

Which, once again, there is no evidence of.  Oh, I’m sure he thinks he has evidence that he keeps locked up tight somewhere but he can do nothing, as revealed in the rest of the thread, to actually prove it.  Yet in the end, this idiot declares himself the victor and waits for everyone to ride him around on their shoulders, only to be surprised when everyone thinks he’s an idiot.  When asked where any of his evidence is, he’s self-assured that he presented it, yet is hard pressed to directly point to any of it.  Apparently, claiming that evidence exists is just as good as presenting the evidence.  Believing strongly that you’re right is the same as proving that you are.

This is really getting more and more typical of engagements with theists, where only the most absurdly stupid and self-deluded will take up the apologetic mantle.  It just leaves atheists shaking their head, wondering exactly what is wrong with these people, yet to the theists, this is the norm.  Believing in things they cannot justify, clinging to things they cannot explain, claiming things they cannot demonstrate, this is what is left of religion in America.  Stupidity, just because it makes them feel good, is the order of the day.

Sad, isn’t it?

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #64

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In a ridiculously long episode, Cephus and Mike welcome guest Jim Goebel to talk about the cluelessness of creationists, the reason Catholics keep getting into trouble, good news, more Americans are expressing willingness to vote for an atheist and the rise of exorcism among Catholics and others, because they really think black magic, Satanism and the occult are real.  We also spend a long, long time talking about libertarian politics and we discover that Pat Robertson really is a kinky bastard.  All this and more in this extended episode of The Bitchspot Report Podcast.

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #62

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This time out, we talk about the latest move in Christian moviemaking, the movies that make them feel persecuted.  We watch Ken Ham’s head explode once again following the latest episode of Cosmos.  Feminists reveal their sexism as they hate male-only schools, but a female-only school?  You have to keep that!  The fallout from the recent Joliet, Illinois court case begins and we see that the Catholics are still hiding pedophile priests.  They’ve changed?  Like hell they have!  And we talk about the common claim that atheists are afraid to insult Islam by insulting Islam a lot.  All this and more in this week’s episode of the Bitchspot Report Podcast!

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #61

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After a week off, we hit the ground running and talk about voter fraud, Hobby Lobby, creationism in the public schools and Pat Robertson’s destruction fetish.  Then we go on to talk about the death penalty and give it two thumbs up.  Come on and listen, you know you want to.

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #59

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It’s an all-news show this time around, Satan is fooling people with graham crackers, fundamentalists want to run for office to keep kids from crying and Tennessee atheists can distribute books in public schools, but should they? Plus, the Internet kills religions dead, more British people believe in ghosts than gods and Pat Robertson thinks God is a hater.  All that and more in this episode of the Bitchspot Report Podcast!

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #57

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This week, we have special guest Brandi Mattison of the Irreverent Skeptics on to talk about exorcism, Saudi Arabia outlawing names, creationists demanding equal time on Cosmos for their irrational nonsense and Brandi challenges Cephus on drugs and school shootings.  It was a show so fun we had to do it twice!  So get moving, you’re missing the show!

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #55

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It’s a super-short show with Mike playing on the freeway, Cephus steps up to take on stories about creationist opposition to the new Cosmos series, medical miracles, Rafael Cruz not understanding how nature works and Americans losing their right to free speech, complained about by morons speaking freely.  Oh, and why we ought to be negative and angry at these stories.  Go get mad.  Just do something about it.

22 Answers to 22 Creationists Part 2

As promised, here’s part 2 of my responses to 22 creationists who were interviewed by Matt Stopera following the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate. Matt’s original presentation is here on Buzzfeed.  The first part is here.

I honestly get sad when I see some of these, it’s disturbing how ignorant some theists are about the world around them and how poor their education into the sciences actually is.  I’m sure we can blame a lot of this on private and home school educations.  You people need to get your nose out of your Bibles and put it into science books. So without further ado, let’s get started.

Creationist12

 

I haven’t got the slightest idea what that even means.  Of course, coming from a theist, that’s hardly surprising.

Creationist13

 

Metamorphosis?  I’m assuming you mean the biological process by which an animal physically develops after birth or hatching and not the 1915 Franz Kafka book about the cockroach, but you never know.  I don’t know that biological metamorphosis really has a lot to say about evolution.  It is a method of changing in form over time from neophyte to adult, most often in insects, amphibians and fish.  Hey, maybe she was talking about the Kafka book!

Creationist14

 

You haven’t the slightest idea what a scientific theory is, do you?  A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.  This does not describe creationism at all.  In fact, if you were going to describe creationism in any meaningful scientific way, it would be a failed hypothesis, an idea that failed to conform to testing and was therefore rejected as worthless.  Evolution is a fact.  There is no question whatsoever that evolution did, and continues to occur in the real world every day.  The Theory of Evolution is an attempt to explain exactly how it takes place and the explanation may  be revised as new information becomes available. That doesn’t change the fact that evolution has been repeatedly observed to occur and is among the most well supported ideas in all of science, unlike creationism, which is a joke.

Creationist15

 

You need to go talk to the guy above you, you both need a very basic education.

Creationist16

 

Genetic mutation and replication errors demonstrably produce an increase in genetic information as genes may reproduce with errors, giving new information that was not available before.  There are many different examples of this, among the best known, and most likely to piss off creationists, is the ape to human transition.  When the common chimpanzee genome was published in 2005 and compared to human genes, only 1.23% of genes differed by single-base substitutions.  Of these, only 1.06% is thought to represent fixed differences between the chimpanzee and human, the rest are most likely variants in individual chimps or humans that do not represent actual differences in the genome itself.  Of course, you don’t know this unless you actually have a clue what biological science says.

Creationist17

 

There is no inherent purpose to life.  As I said in the last post, you are responsible for coming up with your own purpose for the life that you live.  It doesn’t come from any imaginary friend in the sky, it comes from within you.  If you refuse to acknowledge this and pretend that some invisible guy makes you the way that you are, that’s your loss.

Creationist18

 

We’ve actually found lots of bits and pieces, but fossilization is rare and there are plenty of creatures, including many species of dinosaurs, that we may have only a single example, or even just a few bones.  Of course, Lucy, found in 1974 by D. Richard Leakey, is hardly the only one.  For a quick list of the extensive fossil finds we’ve made in the human evolutionary tree, see here.

Creationist19

 

There’s no need to have faith in things that you can actually find objective evidence for.  Faith, at least blind faith, is for those things which you cannot demonstrate are actually true.  You know, like your religion.  Edwin Hubble discovered in 1924 that there are many galaxies outside of our own that are moving away  from us.  If they are moving away from us, they must at once time have been much closer to us.  His observations were borne out in the 1960s by two radio technicians, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who discovered that no matter what way they pointed their radio telescope, they could detect a consistent background radiation signal, just a few degrees above absolute zero.  There are many lines of evidence that support the Big Bang Theory, unarguably the best supported theory in Cosmology.  In fact, we just got our first pictures of Dark Matter which even further solidifies the Theory.  Look for yourself:

Dark Matter

Creationist20

 

It’s quite easy if you actually care what’s real and what isn’t.  You’d rather have this emotionally comforting, ego-stroking belief than deal with the reality that there’s no evidence of a creator whatsoever.  This is why people like Ken Ham lose so pathetically all the time, they’re not worried about the facts, only how their beliefs make them feel.  Maybe you ought to give it a shot.

Creationist21

 

It wasn’t a star, which, unfortunately, betrays your ignorance of the data, but we’re not surprised at that at all, are we?  There is currently a limit to how far back we are able to look, essentially Planck Time, which is the amount of time it takes light to travel 1.61619926 × 10-35 meters.  Whether or not we’re ever able to see further back than that minuscule amount of time we don’t know, that still doesn’t give you license to just make stuff up because it makes you feel better.

Creationist22

Yes, I know that’s a really, really stupid question but I’ll give it a shot.  Humans did not  come from monkeys, both humans and apes descended from a common ancestor and took divergent evolutionary paths. The chimpanzee–human last common ancestor (CHLCA) falls between 7 and 8 million years ago, we have fossils that approximate such an ancestor, such as  Ardipithecus kadabbaSahelanthropus tchadensis, and Orrorin tugenensis, but there is a very real possibility that there isn’t a single CHLCA because  different genes changed at different times, a species doesn’t have an offspring with and entirely different genome fully formed.  I know that confuses most creationists because they seem to think that’s how evolution works, but it just betrays their ignorance of the subject matter.

I’d like to thank Matt Stopera for taking these pictures and to all of those who participated.  Unfortunately, I cannot say I am at all impressed by the complete and utter lack of scientific knowledge of these creationists. They really ought to be ashamed of themselves for being so ignorant and for apparently being proud of remaining so.  This is why people keep doubting reality, they’re much happier believing things for which they have no evidence because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside.  Reality isn’t warm and fuzzy, it’s raw, real and is the one thing that remains after you stop believing in it.  Accepting reality as it is, whether it makes you feel good or not, is an important part of the maturation process.  I think these people have a fair bit of maturing still to do.

 

 

22 Answers to 22 Creationists Part 1

Over on Buzzfeed, Matt Stopera interviewed a number of creationists following the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate and asked them to write a question about science in a notebook.  Here are the first 11 pictures that Matt took, along with my answers to these questions.  I’ve seen a lot of very short answers to these, I wanted to do something a little more indepth.  I’ll do a part 2 with the last 11 images.  So away we go!

Creationist1

I’d say absolutely, a lot moreso than the religious do.  After all, to my knowledge, Bill Nye has never molested a child, even though I did encounter a theist who was convinced that he must have, because that’s what atheists do.  Apparently, said theist has not kept up with the news. Teaching children about the real world as it actually exists, without lies, faith and idiocy, certainly strikes me as a positive influence and one that a lot of religious children would do well to experience more often.

Creationist2

Why would anyone be afraid of something that there is no reason to think actually exists?  Is this theist scared of Krishna?  Or Odin?  The Atheism Wiki estimates that there have been approximately 28,000 potential gods and goddesses that have been worshiped by man during his 15,000 year history, perhaps more.  Do we think she’s scared of any of them?  Probably not, mostly because she doesn’t think any of them, with one exception, is real. Atheists just take that one step further.  We  don’t fear what we don’t think is real.  We’re not afraid of your God any more than we’re afraid of getting speared by a unicorn.

Creationist3

Yes, I would argue it is completely and totally illogical.  First off, there’s no evidence for it and secondly, it just makes your God a liar and thus totally undeserving of any respect or admiration.  Ask yourself why your God, who you think wants everyone to believe in him and worship him, would purposely mislead people to make the planet look exactly like it was not created?  What is the purpose?  Then realize that your God is purposely sending people to hell, he knows exactly what will happen because you think he’s all-knowing.  So he knows that by misleading people, leaving faulty evidence and hiding behind the trees to watch what we do, most humans are going to burn forever in eternal damnation.  Your God is a dick.

Creationist4

No, you don’t know what the second law of thermodynamics is, which is clearly a problem for more than one of the people in this photo survey.  The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases, because isolated systems spontaneously evolve toward thermodynamic equilibrium—the state of maximum entropy.  The Earth is clearly not an isolated system, we constantly get new energy from that big glowing ball in the sky, the sun.  Thus, the second law of thermodynamics has limited application to evolution, as you’d know if you had the slightest scientific education whatsoever.

Creationist5

I’d like to answer this with a picture:

Sunset
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I’d also like to invite this woman to learn how to spell, it’s very difficult to take her seriously when she cannot even use the word “their” properly.

Creationist6

They don’t.  Go talk to your friend above.  You’re just wrong.

Creationist7

There’s no evidence that “noetics” has any application in the real world.  It is a particular belief in some schools of philosophy that has never been demonstrated.  This also might apply to “noetic science”, which was a nonsensical woo-claim, most famously pushed by Dan Brown in his book The Lost Symbol.  It’s largely the product of The Noetic Institute, a pseudoscience outfit started by former astronaut Edgar Mitchell and woo-believing-billionaire Paul N. Temple and is associated with the fundamentalist Christian group The Family.  The Noetic Institute has been placed by the pseudoscience watchdog group QuackWatch on their “questionable organizations” list.

Creationist8

There is no objective meaning of life.  Each individual is responsible for determining what meaning and purpose they wish their meaning to have.  You’re on your own, dude.

Creationist9

This has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution, which requires pre-existing life to operate, but most Christians are completely clueless of this fact.  However, there is a lot of solid research into abiogenesis, the beginning of the first life on the planet and we have a lot of possibilities, none of which require an imaginary father figure in the sky.

Creationist10

 

Um… yeah.  Blonde.  Figures.  Anyhow, that’s really stupid and  you ought not smile when you say it, people might think you’re serious.  Or maybe you are and people ought to think you’re an idiot.  Either way, not worth a serious response.

Creationist11

 

You’d have to show me where anyone credible accepts that, I have yet to see anyone claim that they actually believe that really happened in reality.  There are some that have said it’s a possibility but the only ones that really buy into that tend to be the crackpots like Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramsinghe.  You ought not listen to your religious heroes, they don’t tend to tell the truth.

So that’s the first 11 of the series.  Is there anything you disagree on?  Any of them that you think are remotely credible?  I just look at these things and say “there’s your problem, you’re ignorant gits!”  Next up, the last 11.

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #50

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This week, we take on the flaming remnants of the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate, talk about a Louisiana school district that told a Buddhist child to get lost, Jewish cock-sucking spreading disease, Christian cannibalism in Africa, a pastor who lost his faith and found financial salvation with the atheists and a long discussion on being rational, whether you like it or not.  All this and more in this episode of The Bitchspot Report.

The Bitchspot Report Podcast #48

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This week, we wander through the religious craziness in South Carolina, laugh at Ken Ham, a lot, religious stoning in Louisiana, the worldwide increase in religious violence and take a long look at the two creation stories in Genesis.  That and more can be yours if you listen to the show!  Get moving!

Bill Nye Means More Than I Thought!

A day or two ago, I posted a short Bill Nye video that he had on Big Think.  As far as I was concerned, it was an one-shot pro-science video that really meant very little, it was just a cool sentiment.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Bill Nye, he’s an excellent spokesman and educator for science and rational thinking.  He is a relatively outspoken atheist who has made it clear that religion has no place in a science classroom and I very much agree with him on his positions.  I just didn’t think this short video would upset many people.

Apparently, I was wrong.

From what I’m finding now, it was posted, among other places, in the CNN Religion section and the comments there lit up like wildfire, resulting in more than 10,000 responses.  Now I wouldn’t want to read through all of those comments, but someone did and was nice enough to post an analysis of the comments found there.  Here are the top five types of comments, according to co-editor Eric Marrapodi.

1. Those using this controversy to bash religion. Atheists love the Internet, as we’ve chronicled on the Belief Blog. While they may be a small portion of the population, they seem to make up about half our commenters.  It was their chance to join with Nye and cheer him on.

Atheists aren’t as small a percentage of the population as many people think and frankly CNN has a widely accepted liberal bias and since most atheists are unfortunately also liberal, it’s not really that surprising that they’d be over-represented on CNN blogs.  If this was on Fox News, it would lean dramatically the other way.  Either way, since religion really has no rational basis and it should be ridiculed, where’s the problem?  Besides, from what I’ve seen in the CNN belief blog in the past, anyone who criticizes anything to do with religion, even the most absurd and ridiculous parts of it, gets passed off as a religion basher, even if they are religious!

2. Those who say wait a minute, being a creationist isn’t necessarily being anti-evolution. Lots of folks from the theistic evolution camp came out to say that believing God was involved doesn’t automatically make you anti-evolution.

But those who don’t want creationism taught in the classroom, which is what Nye’s video was all about, aren’t going to disagree with Nye, are they?  Even if they are religious, they’re going to agree that creationism shouldn’t be taught.

3. Those who say that science is stupid and that young Earth creationism rules. Young Earth creationists, who believe the Earth is about 6,000 years old, appeared to be out in force in the comments.

That’s not really a surprise, you find these neanderthals popping out in disturbing numbers whenever someone addresses the idiocy of their beliefs.  They ought to have “IDIOT” stamped on their foreheads and be the subject of intense ridicule for holding such moronic ideas in their tiny little heads.

4. Those who say Nye should stick to his area of expertise.

This tweet was the most polite remark we could find on this subject. Other comments and tweets, not so much.

Greg: “Thanks Bill … but leave the teaching of my children to me. …”

He is sticking to his area of expertise, he’s an actor and science educator.  Educating people about science, and by extension, about what is not science, is what he does!  Besides, whoever this Greg is, what experience does he have with science?  I suspect none.  Bill has a BS and several honorary degrees, plus over 100 episodes of a TV show that is still widely used to teach science in classrooms.  Greg has… what again?

I suppose sometime I ought to do an article on science education, but let me just say this, education of all kinds exists, not to create carbon copies of the parents, but to educate the children in the realities of this world.  That’s why we have teachers, not just random people off the street.  These people are specifically trained in the facts and how to pass them on to the next generation.  Schools exist to educate, not to indoctrinate.  Any school that is appealing to a particular ideology is doing it wrong.  Religion, which invariably has it’s facts wrong, should not expect to have it’s ridiculous beliefs taught as fact.

5. Those who say CNN is cooking up controversy where none exists. Lots of people suggested we were generating a story instead of covering one.

It’s really not a story at all, it’s an individual posting a video of his opinion.  He’s welcome to do so and I happen to agree with his opinion.  Let’s be honest, most news organizations try to generate controversy today instead of just covering the news, this may be an accurate criticism, but it’s status quo for most news outlets today.

However, even beyond that, the whole creationism vs. evolution “controversy” has been over for decades and evolution won hands down.  It’s about as stupid as debating flat-earthism.  It was a stupid idea, it was wrong, it’s over, time for people to get over themselves and move on.

Keep up the  good work Bill and keep pushing reality and comprehensive science education.  It’s the only way the educational system of the United States will ever improve from it’s dismal position now, to actually teach the facts.

Not Safe For Children

I’ve had this in the queue for a couple of days but it just hadn’t reached the top.  However, I’ve seen it posted on a number of different blogs so I might as well play along.

Every once in a while, I come across these short YouTube videos that really require no explanation or comment.  Here, we have Bill Nye on why creationism isn’t good for kids.

Enjoy.