So there was a call on Talk Heathen recently, where some lunatic theist spent a half-hour trying to justify their beliefs and, at the same time, hide from all of the credible questions that the hosts were trying to ask. I said something in the comments about this guy being an imbecile, mostly because he is.
So here’s why I think we need to stop pussyfooting around and treating these people like special snowflakes. It’s time to call a spade a spade because it’s the only way these morons are going to learn anything.
You can go and listen to the call if you’d like, it is absolutely a long call and I understand if you don’t want to. Mostly, if you’re anything like me, you’ll be yelling by the end because this theist twit is ridiculously maddening. Yet he’s really not any different than any other theist.
This is the general theistic model. Cling desperately to the things that make you happy and reject anything else out of hand. To their credit, Forrest and Kenneth both made a lot of excellent points and Nicholas avoided every single one of them. This is a constant problem with the religious.
As many problems as I have with Matt Dillahunty at times, he’s really good at pointing this out and holding the theist’s feet to the fire, often to the point that the theist will just hang up and run away. The second anything gets too close to uncomfortable territory, they balk and run for the hills. They don’t really have another choice. It’s a defense mechanism built into just about every religion. There’s a point past which their brains shut down and their defenses come up because they’ve been taught, often from a very young age, that questioning is bad. Yet the only people who ever say that are fanatics and that’s exactly what these idiots are.
I gave up trying to coddle these morons a long time ago. I’m here to have an adult conversation and if you can’t manage it, you deserve what you get in response. Immature children living in the bodies of adults, that doesn’t fly with me and it shouldn’t fly with you. Grow up and come on back and we’ll try again. I learned a long time ago that trying to talk through their emotional problems, that isn’t going to lead to the truth. These people aren’t interested because they’d rather have comfort than fact. The facts only get in the way.
The simple fact is, you won’t reach these people no matter what you do. No matter how nice and comforting you are, they’re never going to learn what they’re doing wrong because they don’t give a damn. You can simply refuse to address them because ultimately, it’s all a waste of time, but the fact is, these are often the people causing all of the problems in society. These are the people voting their religion into public policy. These are the people trying to restrict the rights of others. In extreme cases, these are the people shooting abortion doctors or, in other cultures, throwing gay people off of roofs or hacking up atheists with machetes. These are the problem children. We have to address them, if for no other reason than to make them look like the complete dumbasses that they are.
That’s not to say that you go after them unfairly. You just treat them as you would any other whackadoodle claim. Point out all of their problems and never allow them to rely on faith or feelings as justification for their beliefs. Faith and feelings don’t work for anything else, they shouldn’t work here either. It’s not being “mean”, it’s being realistic.
These are people who believe dumb things for bad reasons and those beliefs harm the rest of us to some degree or another. Ultimately, this is self-defense. If left unchecked, this mental problem can grow and mutate into something difficult to control. It has to be done away with and since we lack that wonderful mind-control technology that would expunge terrible, irrational and dangerous ideas from people’s heads, all we can do is show how ridiculous they are, make fun of them and let social pressure take its course.
Granted, there are a lot of people who don’t like that, mostly the religious and the politically soft-headed who lack the backbone to stand up on their own two feet and deal with the real world as it is. These people are terrified of being taken to task for the crap that they believe, it’s why they turn to violence so often.
I’m not being mean for the sake of being mean. I’m doing it because it works. I’m not telling these people they’re idiots because I want to insult them. I’m doing it because it’s the truth. The second that we get rid of the ridiculous unearned religious privilege, that’s when things will start to change. I want people not to look at these morons with sympathy, like this was something that was done to them, I want them to be looked at with scorn, like this is something they continue to perpetrate on themselves and others every single day. Adults take responsibility for their actions and their beliefs. These are not adults. They are children and therefore, they deserve to be treated that way.
Until these people get smarter, better educated, more rational and able to handle questions in a critical fashion, nothing is going to improve. We’re doing a decent job of driving them into the minority but it isn’t enough. They need to exist in such small numbers that they hold no social importance anymore. They need to be seen as a laughing stock, like the flat-earthers and the UFO nuts. Until then, they are still a danger and that danger needs to be mitigated. Talking nice and patting them on the head hasn’t done it. Maybe a few swift kicks to the noggin might help. It certainly can’t hurt.
The call with Nicholas and Forrest & Kenneth really highlighted the issue. Not a shred of demonstrable evidence.
Until you hear at least every so often: Does Christianity or _W_h_a_t_e_v_e_r __F_a_i_t_h___B_a_s_e_d___B_e_l_i_e_f__ still exist today? Until then we still have a problem.
I’m not being mean for the sake of being mean.✔👍
re: ridiculous unearned religious privilege.✔ . . .Also, they are addicted to the chemical hit they get when they follow their religion.
re: like the flat-earthers and the UFO nuts. re: they’d rather have comfort than fact.✔ -So, so true!
We actually have to care about intelligent discussions. I don’t know if you’ve seen the idiot over on the YouTube channel who just spams the comments with “God is good” and “The devil is evil” and stuff like that, but it’s all useless. He’s not remotely trying to be an intelligent interlocutor. Yet this seems to be how the religious operate most of the time. They’re right because they want to be right and anyone who disagrees is wrong, so there!
It’s like talking to 4-year olds. Actually, most 4-year olds are probably smarter.
re: I don’t know if you’ve seen the idiot over on the YouTube channel who just spams the comments with “God is good” and “The devil is evil” and stuff like that, but it’s all useless.
Oh, absolutely I’ve seen them. “Atheism will end” et.al. I thought maybe it was just a bot or someone using a YouTube bot service. “Nate is getting close to a channel ban. He’s either an idiot or a troll and neither are really welcome.”
My deal is parents: Please consider teaching your children How to think —NOT— What to think. For example: This is primary source evidence; this is secondary source evidence; this is hearsay; this is gossip and this is rumor. This is special pleading. This is a circular argument. This is an argument from authority. This is an argument from ignorance. This is a false equivalence. This argument assumes facts NOT in evidence. If you want Truth (real, demonstrable, independently verifiable facts), it is important not to bypass the head and go straight to the emotions. Once people are really thinking, they will have the skills to deconstruct all the bad ideas unless their emotions take back over.
That’s hard though. My wife and I were talking about this today as it happens, that they both decided on their own that religion was idiotic because we did teach them how to think, not what to think. The religious just don’t give a damn. It’s all childish fee-fees anyhow, they don’t know how to think either, otherwise they wouldn’t be religious, would they? It’s just the blind leading the blind right off the ideological cliff.
Well, they must have been plenty smart to deconstruct that on their own because I am sure they encountered lots of it in the culture.
For some people, it’s all emotional comforts but just like any lies all that is how you get further and further and further away from your true self and your true self is found in honestly and in that very uncomfortable (reality) zone. re: I don’t like this but this is where the evidence leads.
I fully understand why people do not want to go there but you get nothing sustainable/ nothing real by just pretending to know things you really do not know in any demonstrable way.
For example: If the Bible is mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust it to tell us where we’re going?
Atheism offers the best explanation for the evidence of evolution; Atheism offers the best explanation for religious confusion; Atheism offers the best explanation for the uniformity of religious experience; Atheism offers the best explanation for the Mind Boggling scale of the universe: ~156 billion light years wide; Atheism offers the best explanation for bad design in nature and on and on and on and on.