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Can You Truly Respect the Religious?

Honestly, when you find someone is religious, do you have the same amount of respect for them as you may have before you made that discovery?  I can’t say that I do.  The second I find out that someone believes in imaginary friends in the sky, my estimation of them as a rational human being drops.  The same thing happens when I find out that they reject any form of reality.  I just can’t accept that intelligent, rational people actually fall for this crap.

Mostly because they don’t.  Oh sure, you can find people who are otherwise intelligent and rational who happen to be religious, but they absolutely do not, in any instance, treat their religion intelligently or rationally.  If they did, it is literally impossible for them to adopt that view at all, period.  They could no more believe in gods than they could believe in leprechauns or unicorns or honest politicians.  No one in their right mind thinks those things are real.  You don’t find sane people who argue that they do and certainly not that think they can use the tools of the intellect and science to find evidence for them.  They just make excuses for why we shouldn’t actually expect to come up with anything and that’s simply sad.

And guess what?  The religious don’t respect other religious people either.  They all think theirs is the only god and everyone else has it wrong.  That’s not respecting the other guy’s religious beliefs, is it? Christians do not respect the beliefs of Muslims or Buddhists or Jews.  They think all of those other groups have it completely wrong.  In fact, some groups spend a considerable amount of time banging on your door to tell you that you’re wrong and they’re right.  I don’t see how that qualifies as respect, do you?

But it really offends some people when I say I don’t respect the religious.  They want me to respect people’s right to believe.  I do.  I just don’t respect what they believe.  I cannot stop them from believing it though, even though I wish they wouldn’t.  I simply lack the amazing atheist mind control powers required to stop them from doing so, so I throw up my hands, roll my eyes and think they’re idiots for believing unsupported and unjustified things.  I really don’t care if that offends you at all.  I no more owe you respect for believing stupid things than I owe you consideration for wanting unreasonable things. Don’t like it?  Don’t talk to me.  I honestly don’t think I’ll miss you a bit.

Lack of Basic Responsibility, Politeness and Respect

keep-calm-and-take-the-responsibilityOkay, I’m going to go on a rant here and I’m not really mad at anyone in particular, I’m just sick and fucking tired of the lack of responsibility and politeness some people and groups have, where they really don’t give a damn about anyone or anything and it fucking shows.

Last week, The Atheist Experience had some technical difficulties and didn’t have a show.  From what I’m given to understand, their producer didn’t show up and instead, they just aired a rerun.  Okay, shit happens, I get that, but when something like this happens, the first thing any responsible person ought to do is make an announcement that something is going on, there will be no show, apologize for it and move on.  It takes a few seconds.  They have plenty of avenues to do it, they can announce it on their blog, their website, Twitter, etc.  They can even go in and post it as a topic in their Ustream chat room.  It isn’t like nobody knows what’s going on, they have hosts, they have a whole bunch of people behind the scenes, they have the fucking president and vice president of the ACA who ought to give a damn about their flagship product, etc.  Nope, nobody did a thing and this is hardly the first time this has happened.

When we’re missing a week on the podcast, I make sure I announce it.  It goes out on Twitter and Tumblr and anyone subscribed to the podcast feed gets an announcement.  It’s basic respect for the people that want to listen to the podcast. I actually give a damn about the people who show up week after week.  It ought to be the minimum activity that should be expected.

So this week, people were talking about not having a show last week on the Ustream chat and even though I rarely ever post anything there, mostly because it’s chock-full of assholes and idiots, I said something about “it would have been nice if anyone had posted there wouldn’t be a show so people who were waiting would know.”  That was it.  Nothing angry, nothing accusatory, nothing insulting, just a suggestion that someone could have done something instead of just leaving hundreds of people who show up just to see the show to their own devices.  But instead of being thanked for the suggestion, instead of saying “that’s a good idea”, I had assholes yelling at me for daring to suggest decent behavior.  Yup, I’m not paying for the show so I have no right to say anything about the behavior of this organization.  Bullshit.

But I guess that being responsible and being accountable and actually giving a shit about anyone but yourself is a thing of the past.  People don’t know how to say please and thank you.  People don’t care if you live or die.  It’s all about them.  It’s all about what makes them happy and anyone else… screw ’em, they just don’t matter.  It’s not just Atheist Experience, it’s everyone. That’s the kind of thing that pisses me off because people seem to be entirely unable to observe the basic social niceties anymore.  People shouldn’t have to be reminded to be polite.  Sure, people make mistakes, but this isn’t about making mistakes and being apologetic about them, this is about not caring in the first place and when the mistake is pointed out, not giving a shit about it, in fact, not just not giving a shit, but being upset that anyone suggested that you should have done something to begin with.

It’s no wonder this planet is going to hell in a handbasket.  [/rant]

Should We Respect the Apologists?

Respect-Is-Not-A-GiftI was talking to someone on Twitter about the recent Sean Carroll/William Lane Craig debate and he said that while Craig lost the debate badly, in general he had a lot of respect for the guy.  I don’t.

Respect, as far as I’m concerned, isn’t something that is just granted, it’s something that’s earned.  A person has to do something that garners respect, they don’t get it just because they bothered to wake up in the morning.  It’s something you get for actually being on the right side of an argument, for performing above and beyond the call of duty, etc.  It’s not automatic.

William Lane Craig has not earned any of my respect and so long as he keeps being a dishonest, intellectually bankrupt religious moron, he won’t.  Neither has Ray Comfort.  Neither has Ken Ham.  Neither has any religious person on the planet, at least with regard to their religion. Certainly, they can earn it via other avenues, but not with their religion.  I don’t have respect for people who act in disrepectful ways and that includes those who are dishonest, disingenuous and disgusting, three things that I think apply to religion in general and most theists in particular.

So what do I mean?  Anyone who holds a belief, any belief, without significant objective evidence to back it up, or at least a logical, rational framework, based on reality, to work from, is being disingenuous.  In the modern age, there is no excuse for anyone not searching for the truth. You can find it in a minute or two on Google.  I don’t care what you feel, I don’t care what you prefer, I care what is actually true in the one reality that we all share.  Those who say they’ve studied their religious book and found it to be objectively and demonstrably valid are being dishonest.  They simply cannot be justified that way, no matter how much you twist and turn and let’s be honest, there are a lot of theists who do convolute their reading of their holy books to make virtually any proposition true.  Finally, those who use these ridiculous beliefs to rationalize away the horrors created by religion are out-and-out disgusting.

That reminds me of another guy on a forum who goes by the absurd handle of “Logicman”.  He wouldn’t know logic if it whacked him upside the head.  He firmly believes that the Bible is right because the Bible is right.  Why? Because the Bible is right.  He is utterly incapable of rationally evaluating his religious beliefs, he’s a complete fanatic and he’s happy to tell everyone that his mind cannot be changed.  The problem is, he follows rational people around and tells them they’re wrong because they disagree with his Biblical beliefs.  Should this person be respected?  Is he any worse than William Lane Craig?  I don’t think so.

I know these people don’t care and that’s a problem.  They hold their beliefs and they have their fanatical followers and that’s all that matters to them.  So long as their followers keep sending in money and buying their books, they’ll keep spouting their irrational, dishonest rhetoric.  I only care what’s actually true, they only care what feels good and makes them money.  Sorry, there will be no respect for them until they become better, more rational people and I just don’t see that happening.

The Misdefinition of “Respect”

I keep seeing theists whine that atheists don’t give them “respect”.  Now I’ll be honest, I don’t respect theism, in fact, I absolutely detest it, but in general, I don’t care what people believe, nor have I any ability to control what goes on between their ears, so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.  That’s about as much respect as I’m going to give theists on their theism, the same respect I’m going to give pedophiles and racists.  Think what you want, keep it to yourself, grant me the same treatment.  Easy enough. Continue reading The Misdefinition of “Respect”