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Conservatism and Capitalism

keep-calm-and-follow-the-rules-14Yeah, I know I’ve talked about this before but I think it’s important.  I only bring it up because, this site is linked through my sig on several forums and someone came over here, read what I’ve written on capitalism, especially the posts I made a while back about people selling animals on Craigslist, then sent me a private message there asking how I can possibly justify being a conservative and getting upset at people who are “just being good capitalists”.

That’s a valid question.  Here’s my answer:

Capitalism, like anything else, is inherently limited.  It’s like rights.  No right, anywhere, is entirely unlimited.  You have the right to free speech, that doesn’t mean you can scream FIRE! in a crowded theater, it doesn’t mean you can slander people or defraud them or anything like that.  Your right to speak freely doesn’t rid you of the responsibility for what you say.

The same is true of capitalism.  I have no problem with people selling animals.  I’ve been an animal breeder in the past, certainly I think that responsibly breeding animals and selling them is a fine thing to do.  That, however, is not what’s happening on Craigslist.  Craigslist has a rule that you cannot sell animals, period.  Take it or leave it.  Craigslist is a private site, they can make whatever rules they want and people who use the site have two options.  Follow the rules or take a hike.  Capitalism, like free speech, doesn’t guarantee you a forum to carry on your business.  Take it elsewhere.

Pretty much the only people out there who push pure capitalism without limits are the ultra-extreme libertarian lunatics.  Everyone else acknowledges that capitalism without limits is untenable.  There has to be regulation, if for nothing else than to provide a relatively level playing field.  We can’t have companies producing toxic food, for instance, or outright lying to the public, or buying up all the competition so they have a complete monopoly and the public has no choice but to buy from them.  There are always limits, there are always regulations.

That doesn’t stop people from whining about it though, which is the one part I always find funny.  On the Craigslist forums, especially the Flag Help forum, you always have people who show up, ask why they were flagged and when they are told, they sit there and argue about it!  Very rarely do they ever say “oh, I did something wrong, I’ll fix it and try again”, they want to yell and scream that they ought to be able to break the rules because they’re special.  Or the ever-popular “I’ve seen other people do it, I ought to be able to do it too!”  It’s very clear on the site that you cannot sell animals, yet they ignore it because it gets in the way of what they want to do.  Screw the rules!  They’re inconvenient!

I’m sorry, but even more important than being able to be a capitalist, in places which allow it, is the maturity to follow the established rules and accept that you’re doing something wrong when it’s pointed out to you that you are.  Unfortunately, far too many people simply don’t want to do that.  They want to scream about it and get their way.

So no, I have never once said that the people who have animals to sell should not be able to sell them, I said that they were not free to sell them on a private site with established rules against doing so.  There are plenty of places out there where selling pets is entirely legitimate and permitted by the rules.  Take it to Kijiji, eBay’s classifieds, where you can sell to your heart’s content.  Oh sure, you have to pay a fee to get listed, but nobody ever said that anyone owed you free advertising, did they?  It’s a part of doing business.  Don’t like it?  Be responsible and don’t breed unwanted animals.

It really can’t be that hard to understand, can it?

The Idiots of Craigslist

Sorry, I just have to vent for a minute, simply because there’s no real way to do it effectively on Craigslist.  Yes, Craigslist uses absurdly outdated technology that doesn’t allow people to do anything to respond to ads, nor really to carry on an effective discussion in their forums.  Maybe I’m just spoiled, but threaded forums like that went out years ago.

That said though, I really do hate the utterly idiotic people who post on Craigslist.  I’m not talking about the people who can’t spell, the people who don’t even know what they have, the people who ramble on and on in their ads, I specifically mean the people who think they’re above the rules and get to do as they wish and bitch about it when their ads are flagged. Continue reading The Idiots of Craigslist

Getting to Hate Craigslist

I wrote not that long about about the absurd practice on Craigslist of “re-homing” birds, entirely ignoring the rules that only a small re-homing fee can be charged.  People are demanding hundreds and even thousands of dollars for animals they’re not allowed to be selling and Craigslist relies on the users to report them all and get their ads removed.  Then they whine about how unfair it is that people are reporting their rule-violating ads, like they’re too damn stupid to figure it out on their own.

The rule outlaws the sales of, specifically:

Household pets of any kind including but not limited to dogs, cats, primates, cage birds, rodents, reptiles, amphibians, fish. Re-homing with small adoption fee OK

Continue reading Getting to Hate Craigslist