I guess it’s time for another one of those “why are these people so crazy and irrational” posts, owing the the fact that I’ve gotten myself involved, once again, in a debate with libertarians who cannot demonstrate that natural rights actually exist, they just keep repeating that they do over and over and over again.
I’ve said before that belief in natural rights is pretty much identical to religious faith, but it occurs to me that I don’t think I’ve ever run into anyone who believed in natural rights and wasn’t religious. That’s not saying it can’t happen, I just can’t remember anyone I’ve debated that wasn’t also a theist and I think that’s important. Of the three libertarians trying desperately to defend their blind faith in natural rights, all of them are fundamentalist Christians.
So anyhow, here’s one quote I wanted to pull to show how bat shit insane these people really are.:
you don’t seem to understand why I find natural rights to be so important. they are part of a philosophy that exists. trying to impose one concept of existence on “things” that are not defined that way is stupid. Does say “roman catholicism” exist? or angry atheism? sure they do-but not the same way say Iron ore or helium gas exists. same with Natural rights vs. a concrete block
Sure they do, but you can point to them in the real world, you can define what they mean and you can differentiate between the two. I can define what constitutes Catholicism and produce evidence that such a thing actually exists in the real world. I can define what atheism is and again, produce objective evidence for it’s existence. Apparently, these libertarians can’t do that with natural rights. They seem to think there’s a difference between legal rights and natural rights but they just can’t explain it. They just have an emotional reaction to it. They want natural rights to exist, the same way they want gods to exist. These people are also ardent founding father worshippers. One is saying that because Thomas Jefferson said something, it has to be true because… Thomas Jefferson. It’s the same thing as claiming that the Bible has to be true because… the Bible. And yes, they do use that argument, no matter how pathetic that it is. Of course, I became a heretic when I said I didn’t care what Thomas Jefferson said, I only cared about demonstrable reality. That didn’t go over well.
To be honest, I get tired of the dance for the same reason I tire of debating fundamentalist Christians. They have no interest in listening and I have no interest in compromising. They have no way of providing objective evidence or logical arguments to support their claims and I am not going to accept less. If you can’t make your case intellectually, then you’ve lost. It doesn’t stop these people from making the same claims that the religious do, often the exact same claims that the religious do, and ignoring any and all challenges because they are emotionally attached to their beliefs, but it isn’t a worthwhile argument either. What’s the point when “because!” is the only argument they can make? It’s like debating with a 6-year old. I really don’t see the point.