What the Hell is Wrong with Feminists?

Halloween-costume-2There’s apparently a big bruhaha going on over a Subway commercial where women are told to stop eating burgers and presumably eat Subway so that they’ll fit into sexy Halloween costumes.  There are women out there whining about how sexist it is that they’re expected to wear sexy costumes! How dare anyone suggest that! Well, nobody is suggesting it, they’re simply acknowledging the reality, that there are an awful lot of sexy costumes out there that women choose, yes CHOOSE, of their own free will, to put on.  Nobody is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to wear these costumes, in fact, nobody really gives a damn if you wear a costume at all.  You make that decision for yourself and now you’re whining about it?

Holy shit, what is wrong with you women?  Is the very existence of a costume reason for you to bitch and whine that someone ought to stop it because you don’t like it?  Grow the fuck up!  Seriously, this is just another stupid feminist nonsensical cause to get riled up about.  Wear what you want.  Wear a bag over your head, it can only help some of you.  Just shut the fuck up about ridiculous invented controversies that mean absolutely nothing.

The more that I see feminists complain about stupid stuff, the more that I see them want to boycott and control the language, the more laughable they are.  Do these people ever stop to think how pathetic their antics make them look? Why is anyone going to feel sorry for these poor women who are convinced they are being forced at knife-point to put on a slutty Cinderella costume and parade around with their tits hanging out, especially when nothing of the sort is going on?  If you don’t want to wear it, guess what?  You don’t have to wear it!  Get over yourself!

So here’s the “offending” Subway commercial.  I’m sure you’ll agree that there’s nothing whatsoever wrong with it, except in the tiny little liberal heads of uber-feminist idiots who think everyone ought to do what they’re told and pretend that there’s a vast male conspiracy to make them look like a slut.  Most of these women dress that way anyhow, what are they complaining about?

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to Subway.

35 thoughts on “What the Hell is Wrong with Feminists?

  1. "Just shut the fuck up about ridiculous invented controversies that mean absolutely nothing."

    Why don't you apply this same advice to yourself – the shutting up part. These women have every right to criticize these commercials. You know, the First Amendment right to free speech and all. You of course have the right to criticize them. But that criticism should not include telling them to "shut the fuck up" unless you also apply that to yourself as well. Just because you think it is an invented controversy and that it means absolutely nothing does not meant that this is actually true. You don't get to decide for others whether a commercial is or is not sexist.

    "Wear a bag over your head, it can only help some of you."

    Real mature stuff here. This surely is what a rational argument or criticism looks like. You know this remark is akin to an ad hominem fallacy, right?

  2. "…who are convinced they are being forced at knife-point to put on a slutty Cinderella costume and parade around with their tits hanging out,"

    Now you are engaging in logical fallacies. None of the women who have complained about this commercial have even remotely said anything like this. None have said they are "being forced at knife-point" to wear any costumes. You are engaging in idiotic hyperbole that doesn't even come close to representing the criticism or the motivation behind the criticism.

  3. "I’m sure you’ll agree that there’s nothing whatsoever wrong with it…"

    No, I don't agree. The commercial is sexist. And my liberal head and brain is at least equal, if not superior, to yours. It plays up and employs sexist stereotypes. And despite what the Subway spokesperson said in response to the criticisms, the commercial is not funny. And let's all just completely ignore that the commercial is deceptive, bordering on a flat-out lie. Some research shows that eating Subway is no healthier than eating McDonalds. So you are not likely to keep any fitter or trimmer eating at Subway than eating at McDonalds. (Source: http://news.yahoo.com/breaking-subway-just-unheal….) Both are fast-food restaurants. In general, eating fast-food is not the path to a healthier diet, no matter which fast-food restaurant you choose to patronize.

  4. "…heads of uber-feminist idiots who think everyone ought to do what they’re told and pretend that there’s a vast male conspiracy to make them look like a slut."

    You really are creative at inventing stuff. There isn't a single liberal feminist who thinks there is a "vast male conspiracy to make them look like sluts." You truly do appear idiotic when you employ such exaggerated statements.

  5. "Most of these women dress that way anyhow, what are they complaining about?"

    Your evidence for this claim? Most women run around in in clothing like sexy devil-costumes designed to titillate male senses? Where do you get this shit?

      1. No, I was not joking. That picture is sexist.

        I never said, nor implied, that the image should be banned, if by banned you mean unconstitutional action by the government. I do not support any kind of government censorship. So I would not support government banning of sexist images on Fashion TV. But I do support efforts to apply public pressure to agencies, institutions, organizations, businesses, etc. to choose not to use sexist images. This is exercise of free speech and the right to protest.

  6. What amuses me, and its not the first time I point this out, that there seems to be way to much hypocrisy in the new wave feminist movement to take it seriously. On the one hand you have people getting riled up over a commercial about personal dress choice and then on the other hand you get groups accepting and using the word Bitch (slut as well) as a way to destigmatize it. It seems to be a serious disconnect and what worries me that the new feminism is destroying a lot of the good work done by equality proponents (that called themselves feminists) did in the past.
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    1. They don't seem to want equality.

      That costume and the comment about it is so typical. It's cute and right away someone jumps in that it's sexist? Why? Do they want all women to wear a burka so that any sexuality is taken from the discussion?

      1. "Do they want all women to wear a burka so that any sexuality is taken from the discussion?"

        No, we don't Roger. We simply want them to stop using sexist images that sexually objectify women. You have employed here the logical fallacy of the false dilemma, a.k.a the false dichotomy. In addition, you are attempting to intentionally misrepresent our arguments in a way that serves as a straw man fallacy.

        1. Why not hide them under a burka then?

          Freedom is a great thing they can use it to look their best in any manner short of indecent exposure. Is it sexist for a woman who thinks she was gifted with great legs to show them?

          1. Why not hide them under a burka? It is a woman's choice what to wear. I would not presume to tell a woman what she should and should not wear. But then this isn't the topic of conversation. We are talking about the media and other organizations using images of women that sexually objectify them as a class or group. Women should not be presented to the mass market as sex objects, which is what these images do.

            No, Roger it is not sexist for a woman to think of herself as "gifted with great legs" and to want to show them off. But this is not what we are talking about. We are not talking about what an individual woman does. We are talking about the use of images in the mass media that sexually objectify women. Your remark is totally irrelevant to this topic.

          2. Holy shit, you are dense. I never said this. I never said they should not have the choice to wear sexually titillating clothing. I said that taking pictures of them in these outfits and then presenting those images to the public through the mass media is sexist. If they want to engage in sexist behavior that is their right, their choice. But I have the right to criticize them for doing so.

          3. Of course you did. Read your own comments. " We are talking about the use of images in the mass media that sexually objectify women"

            That would be you, as a self avowed authority on this the ability to make choices and set limits on the choices of others.

            You are not able to show a reasonable argument outside of the need for power and control over others, when it really isn't any of your concern.

          4. It does not take an authority to recognize images that sexualize women and perpetuate sexist stereotypes. Apparently you don't think there are such things as sexist stereotypes or images that sexualize women and perpetuate these stereotypes. If so I surmise this to be evidence that you are yourself sexist. This would explain your blindness to examples of sexism.

            The perpetuation of sexist stereotypes in our culture most certainly is my concern.

          5. Of course it is a woman's choice what to wear…and what media to participate in.

            Why don't you respect the agency and choices of women who choose to participate in mass media in sexualized ways , or the men(or other women) who might like seeing them?

            You don't care what women want to do, you just want to be able to shame men and pretend to care about women to fulfill some rather pathetic hero urge you seem to have. Do you really think the women in these commercials, or the audience who can watch or ignore, really need your idiotic moralism to guide them? Get over yourself.

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          6. Just what do you think respect entails? Does respect mean I am not permitted to criticize a person for what I believe to be harmful choices? I am not quarreling about the agency of these women. Sure, they have the right to make this choice. I respect their right to do so. But respecting that right does not necessitate that I must remain silent when I believe the choice to be a bad one, one that perpetuates sexist stereotypes that injure women in our culture. It should be obvious that I do care about what women want to do. If I did not care, then I would not have commented. I do wonder where you received your training in psychology? Wherever it was, it was a monumental failure for you personally. My comments were not intended to shame men. I exercised my right to criticize a practice that I think inflicts harm on women in general. I don't know if the women in the commercials or the audience for these commercials needs moral guidance or not. This isn't about morals. It is about ethics. Surely this is a distinction you understand? When I see what I believe to be ethically suspect behavior I will point it out. If you don't like it, tough shit.

          7. You are right, you have every right to criticize anyone for anything that you want. People might have the right to do things, that does not mean they have to be respected for the things that they do. The freedom to act ensures neither freedom from criticism nor from consequences. That's something a lot of people seem to misunderstand.

      2. Even if it is sexist, and I'm not saying that it is, it remains their choice whether to wear it or not. I don't see them screaming that barbarian male costumes are sexist, they don't care. They're a bunch of hypocrites.

          1. Roger, this conversation is not about personal choices. It is about the use of images in the mass media that portray women as objects of sexual desire and pleasure. A mature society that is committed to gender equality simply should refrain from doing this. What any individual chooses to do or not do in their personal lives is not the subject of this discussion.

          2. I never said this. You are projecting things into the reading of my comments. The women who pose for those pictures certainly have the choice to dress in those costumes and have their picture taken. I am not advocating forcibly taking away this choice. But I have a right to consider the use of these images in the mass media to be sexist, to object to the use of these images in this way and to criticize those who use them in this way. It's called Freedom of Conscience and Freedom of Speech. The use of these images in the mass media sexually objectifies women as a group, and this therefore makes their use in the mass media sexist.

          3. I merely took your comments to their logical conclusion.
            And the logical final conclusion is that if one woman decides to look sexy it make them all sex object, so none should be allowed.

            That is the thinking that has sharia imposing burkas.

        1. Barbarian male costumes don't sexually objectify men. Furthermore, men are not routinely sexually objectified in the media as are women. This said, sexual objectification of men, is also wrong.

          You, like Roger, seem to want to shift the focus of the discussion. We are not talking about what individual women or men choose to wear. We are talking about the use of images in the mass media that sexually objectify women as a group and thus promote the notion that women are and should be objects of sexual desire and pleasure. This promotes the stereotypes that are part of the cause of sexual harassment. If you are frequently bombarded with the message that women are playthings there to titillate your sexual senses, it isn't much of a step to the attitude that you have a right to treat women as objects meant to please your desires. I am simply arguing that we ought not do this.

          1. If I wear barbarian costumes it does show as much as possible to exaggerate male attributes and I do hope it does it in a way to encourage sexual appeal.

            What planet did you just fall off of?

          2. If this is true, and I am not convinced it is, then this too would be sexist if used as imagery in the mass media. It is not sexist if a person wears such a costume in their private life, such as to a costume party, or as part of some sexual fantasy play they and their partner might enjoy. But when such images are used in the mass media to sexualize men it is, in my opinion, no less a sexist act than it is when such images of women are used in the same venue. Again, you keep wanting to make this conversation about what individuals do in their private lives when the conversation is about the use of images in the mass media.

            If you want to dress in a way that sexualizes you and do so in your private or personal affairs, then do so. But when organizations or entities use images to represent men or women as a group that sexualizes them in the mass media, then I say it is sexist and an ethical society should not engage in such activities.

          3. So, in private where nobody sees a woman looking sexy is fine, not in public where it might spread to a sexist view of women in general?

            I don't know how to say this. Sexuality is a normal part of life. In our western culture it's normal for people to present themselves in the best possible light, including for the opposite gender (outside of homosexuals). It's a reason we bathe regularly, whiten our teeth, drive fancier cars, go to gyms and work out. It's a huge motivator. Unless you look like Helen Thomas or Barney Franks you're understand that.

    2. You have to remember that radical feminism isn't about equality, it's about superiority and revenge. They don't want to be equal to men, they want to be better. Where they are behind, they fight to catch up, but where they are ahead, they're entirely silent. They don't care about men catching up to them, they want the extra perks because they're upset that once, they were downtrodden. They aren't the only group that does it, of course, most formerly downtrodden groups want to keep their advantages (and create new advantages) while bitching and whining about anywhere they aren't equal.

  7. "You have to remember that radical feminism isn't about equality, it's about superiority and revenge. They don't want to be equal to men, they want to be better."

    This is one enormous load of horseshit. There may be some radical feminists out there. But none of the feminist women, nor feminist men, whom I think you are targeting in this remark are out to achieve "superiority and revenge." Holy shit, you have a serious persecution complex on exhibit here.

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