Why Not Join an Atheist Group?

groupsOn the most recent Atheist Experience, in the aftershow, someone called and said he was nervous about joining the local atheist group because he was afraid that it would be like church.  While I like, for the most part, what Russell and Tracie said, I do have to interject that there are places where they are just wrong.  Tracie said that if you want to join a group where you don’t have to walk on eggshells around religion, join an atheist group.  That much is true, but in lots of atheist  groups, you have to walk on eggshells around politics because, as we all know, there is a massive liberal presence in atheism and for groups like Atheism+ and the other Social Justice Warriors, they’re absurdly religious in their political and social outlook and they’ll attack you for daring not to toe the party line.

That’s one of many reasons why I will never join an atheist group and why I will never be a part of the imaginary atheist community.  Granted, Russell said that the caller could just join a group of people with whom he shares a positive position, a hiking group, a gaming group, etc. and I’d really recommend doing that, atheism isn’t a guarantee that you won’t have to deal with fanatical fundamentalism, it just won’t be religious fundamentalism.  I don’t see these groups being all that qualitatively better than the religious groups they’re supposed to replace. They’re not rationalist organizations, they’re just irrational about different things.

That’s why I return to my common position that you join a group that has something positive in common, they actually do something collectively with a common interest instead of sitting around whining about the things they do not actually do.  It’s foolish to join a group dedicated to not playing chess, why would you join a group dedicated to not believing in gods?  It’s stupid.  Seriously, do most people have such a problem with the religious intruding in their lives that they have to go hide in a corner with others of like mind? That makes no sense to me.

People need to stop living their lives as though the religious are in charge and if you live in an area where that’s true, you need to either move or change your perspective.  Stop allowing them to cause trouble.  Stop listening to them.  Be open and honest about your disbelief.  Maybe if more atheists did that, they wouldn’t feel the need to congregate with other atheists, solely because they’re atheists.  That would be a much better world to live in.

3 thoughts on “Why Not Join an Atheist Group?

  1. MAN, YOU REALLY HIT HIS ONE ON THE HEAD. AS A CONSERVATIVE ATHEIST WHO HATE OUR PROLIFIC LYING PRESIDENT AND WHO KNOWS THE FACTS PROVE THE IRAQ WAR WAS JUSTIFIED, I AM SO DISLIKED AT THE ATHEIST GROUP I HELPED FOUND IN 1983, I SELDOM GO TO ANY OF THEIR MEETINGS.

  2. It should be safe in an atheist group to identify oneself as an atheist and speak openly about one's views on religion. As you said, it may not be particularly safe to express one's views on politics, feminism, or other subjects outside of atheism, religion, secularism, humanism, etc. But in the other groups, one could not assume this. The hiking or chess groups mentioned could be filled with people who would condemn someone for being an atheist. They could also have a political slant where they condemn everyone who deviates from it. So one thing the atheist group has going for it is that it should at least offer the opportunity to speak openly about some – though not necessarily all – of these subjects.

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  3. Other beliefs have groups for support and encouragement.

    It would seem to me part of being an atheist for some, (not all) is the desire to brand themselves as independent thinkers, and a group might impinge on that.

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