At Least Accomodationists Are Consistently Stupid

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Nobody should ever feel bad for any reason, WAAAAAAH!!!

Got into a debate with an accomodationist over on Twitter today after they started posting to the #atheism hashtag that what people believe is true for them.  I disagreed with the sentiment, truth is only true if it’s actually true.  People who believe false things, no matter what they believe, still believe in falsehoods.  And so began an exchange that lasted a couple of hours and still makes my head hurt.  Anyhow, this idiot who goes by @Harrison_Carr, showed me once again why accomodationism is really, really, really stupid.

First off, he was not at all clear on his ideas, which I suppose is par for the course.  At first, it appeared that he was arguing for some form of solipsism since he kept insisting that whatever someone believed, no matter how crazy it was, it was actually “true for them”.  That’s his phrase.  Of course, most solipsists say the same thing so I can be forgiven for being confused, but even after we sorted it out, he kept going back to that phrase over and over.  However, I eventually realized that he wasn’t talking about individual realities, but that he didn’t think anyone ought to be corrected or criticized because they won’t change their minds no matter what we do.  They’re deluded so we ought to leave them alone to live in their private insanity because nobody should ever feel bad about what they believe.

So I argued that, based on his ideas, we equally shouldn’t argue against racism and sexism or anything else for fear that the believers in those things might feel bad. And you know something?  He agreed!  We shouldn’t make racists feel bad for believing that non-whites (or non-blacks, etc.) are inferior!  It’s fine and dandy!  Of course, the fact that someone’s beliefs inform their actions really doesn’t seem to phase him, the idea that the religious are more likely to vote to ban gay marriage, teach creationism in schools or discriminate against other religions doesn’t seem to bother him at all.  There’s a complete disconnect in his mind between someone’s beliefs, religious and otherwise, and their actions and we know, for a demonstrable fact, that’s just not the case.

Apparently, making anyone feel bad for any reason whatsoever is a horrible thing.  If this idiot had been around in the mid 1800s, we’d still have slavery because he wouldn’t want to offend the slave owners.  Luckily, some people had the balls to stand up and do what was right.

We just went around and around, he just couldn’t get the idea that objectively correct ideas are important in and of themselves.  People ought not believe anything without significant objective evidence that it’s actually so and the fact that many people are ignorant of that simple fact doesn’t change the reality of the statement.  He ran on pure, unfettered emotion without an ounce of intellectual, rational or logical thought.  So long as people felt good, it didn’t matter what nonsensical mind poison ran through their head.  It was all I could do not to burst out into a Morris Albert song.

Once again, I don’t get these people who can be so totally uncritical of not only their own position, but of everyone else’s as well.  This guy would probably be out waving happily to a Neo-Nazi march or a Klan rally. Can’t make those people feel bad either, can we?  I wish I got how people could be so mind-numbingly stupid but I just can’t.  Anyone care to explain?

1 thought on “At Least Accomodationists Are Consistently Stupid

  1. Sounds like this person has been infected with postmodernist thought. Postmodernism is almost as corrosive a system of thought and set of beliefs as is theism.

    Are you sure solipsism is the word you meant to use here.

    solipsism: :  a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing; also :  extreme egocentrism

    I don't think this is what you meant to impart. It does not sound to me that the person with who you were debating was engaging in solipsism. I suspect the word you meant to use was sophistry: the use of fallacious arguments, esp. with the intention of deceiving.

    "…the fact that someone’s beliefs inform their actions really doesn’t seem to phase him, the idea that the religious are more likely to vote to ban gay marriage, teach creationism in schools or discriminate against other religions…"

    Actually this is not true of the religious in general. It is true only of those who adhere to a fundamentalist version of religion. Most members of the liberal christian sects support gay marriage, oppose teaching creationism in schools and don't discriminate against other religions. Just as one example, many of the members of Americans United for Separation of Church and State are believers, including the executive director, Barry Lynn. Many chapters of this organization are headed by practicing ministers. You really should stop making such sweeping generalized characterizations.

    "People ought not believe anything without significant objective evidence that it’s actually so…"

    I agree. I just wish you would consistently apply this standard to yourself. This is not the standard you applied in your recent post in which you claimed, without providing "significant objective evidence" that those who employ rationality rather than emotionalism in decision-making have lower divorce rates.

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