Feminism Supporters are Frustrating

I suppose I shouldn’t act like it’s only feminism supporters that bug me but they’ve been top of my shit list lately.  After I wrote this post, I got several e-mails, as well as a couple of tweets, by pissed off feminists that asserted that I didn’t care about women’s rights.

Let me make this perfectly clear.  I am for women’s rights.  I am for men’s rights.  I am for black rights.  I am for white rigths.  I am for gay rights.  I am for straight rights.  To make it simpler for everyone to understand though, I’ll just condense it all down to a single statement:  I am for human rights.

What I am against are blacks lining up on one side of the fence and whites lining up on the other side and both working on their own issues separately.  Tear down the damn fence and have all of them work on the same issues together.  I oppose men and women lining up against opposite walls, like in a high school dance, each side whispering about how awful the other group is.  I say get your asses out there and dance!  Work out your mutual differences!

The feminist movement isn’t getting rid of sexism at all.  Oh sure, they’re achieving equality alright, they’re becoming equally as sexist!  Aren’t we supposed to be achieving a color-blind, gender-blind and orientation-blind society?  How can we do that when one side spends all their time waving their arms around and calling race, gender and orientation to everyone’s attention?

Going back to what I was saying before, I am for women’s rights, but not to the exclusion of men’s rights.  I am for men’s rights, but not to the exclusion of women’s rights.  The same goes down the line.  The problem is, radical feminism doesn’t care about men’s rights, they don’t care about men, in fact, some of the most radical want to do away with men altogether.  Certainly not all feminists fall into that  camp because not all feminists are radical, but there are enough that do, and enough people take those that do seriously, that it’s clearly an issue that needs to be addressed.  In fact, it’s difficult not to draw parallels between feminism and expansionist Islam.  No, most Muslims are not terrorists, most Muslims are peace-loving people who would oppose open terrorism to any degree.  There are those, unfortunately, who do listen to the terrorists, who read their mantras, who embrace their aims, if not their methods.  There are those who buy into the goals of terrorism, the expansion of Islam through virtually any methods necessary, considering the ends just might possibly justify the means.  That’s where it gets dangerous.  When you get to the tipping point, where “I really want to achieve this goal, it is the most important thing I can imagine” to “the only way to achieve that goal is violence” is a single step, it spells trouble.

Now feminists, for the most part, don’t support violence against men, or anyone else, but there are those who advocate it.  They are present in the general feminist movement and they do get a certain amount of traction, especially as women get more fanatical in their beliefs and frustrated in their goals.  It’s unlikely to lead to women strapping on bomb vests but any movement where violence is seen as a viable option, even by a minority, is potentially dangerous.

So please, let’s do away with feminism.  Let’s do away with masculinism.  Let’s just all be human and treat each other fairly and equally, based on critical thinking, evidence and logic.  If nothing else, Atheism+ did show us that a group of people,  bound together by ideological purity, will tend toward fanaticism.

Fanaticism sucks, period.

2 thoughts on “Feminism Supporters are Frustrating”

  1. Your comments on this topic are interesting to me, largely because I haven't been paying attention to this stuff for very long, mostly just when Greta Christina will talk about it, and they have mentioned it a few times on the ask and atheist podcast, and probably occasionally on atheist experience. So perhaps my impression of feminism is pretty skewed.

    You say you are more interested in everyone having equal rights, and that we shouldn't all be in our own camps, but wouldn't there be a place for both? Say for example someone considered themselves a feminist and a humanist, they care about rights for everyone and are interested in helping anyone who is being treated unfairly, but their focus is generally on women. Everyone can't do everything, if we carve things up so that certain people are working on rights for women and others are working on rights for gays and so forth, but generally we are all in the same boat trying to help everyone when it comes down to it, wouldn't that be a good thing?

    I'm guessing you would argue that this is not reality, but wouldn't it in principle be a good thing?

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    1. In principle and in reality are two different things. Sure, I suppose, if everyone wanted to join their own little rights group and collectively, everyone can ensure that all people have equal rights, I suppose it's a weird way of doing it but it might work. However, in reality, that's just not how it works. Everyone is in their own little group and they are working toward the rights of their own group to the exclusion of all other groups. The feminist groups absolutely hate the men's rights groups with a burning passion and vice versa. It gets worse the more extreme one gets in their views, as an upcoming post will show. That's why I don't think that focusing on any one particular group's problems actually gets overall equality accomplished, it only makes different groups hate each other and work to each other's detriment.

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