Liberals and Government Handouts

I got into a debate with a self-defined liberal who claimed that *EVERYONE* had taken some kind of government handout and therefore, nobody had any room criticizing those who are on welfare or have their hand out for a government check.  So heck, I’ll play along, I said I have never gotten a free check from the government.  He started naming off some things like welfare, AFDC, government cheese, Pell grants, etc.  Nope, never touched a single one of them.  I’ve always been self-sufficient.  The list of things that I might have taken kept getting longer and longer, electric vehicle tax credits, free government cable TV or cell phones, cash for clunkers, etc.  My response was still no.

So what does he hit me with?  Have I ever accepted a tax refund from the government?!?!?!  I have?  I’m now on the government dole!

The stupidity of some liberals is just unbelievable.  Getting money the government had no business taking in the first place back is now an example of government largesse.

It really is surprising how much liberals view the government as the supplier of everything.  They steal our money, then once a year, they give back the money they shouldn’t have gotten to begin with and liberals think it’s a handout.  In fact, accepting your own money back is now welfare of some sort.

There’s a difference between taking a check and doing nothing to earn it and getting something out of the government for which they expect you to work.  Another example he tried to use was the first-time homebuyer credit and mortgage tax credits.  Both of those are incentives by the government to perform an action, in this case buying a house, for which they will make even more money.  Once you buy a house, you start paying property taxes, you start paying more sales taxes in the area that you now live, your purchase helps to raise property values in the area, which translates to even more tax revenue for the city.  Yes, these programs are typically federal in nature, but who do you think elects these representatives?  The cities who will be benefiting from these programs!  This isn’t anything more than scratching each other’s back.

Then they tried claiming that programs like unemployment, social security and medicare are also government handouts.  Sorry, no.  They are paid for, in advance, by the recipient.  You get unemployment because you and your employer paid toward it out of every check.  Social security and medicare costs you money every two weeks.  In most cases, you never get back what you’ve paid into the system, the government simply keeps the rest.  Where liberals think the government is being magnanimous and giving you these things for free is beyond me.

These liberals want the government to be in charge of everything, for everyone to be dependent on the government for all of their money and their livelihood.  Obama wants us to think that business owners didn’t really build their own businesses, the government was really responsible.  Well guess what?  Those business owners paid their taxes, therefore the roads, which were funded from that tax money, belong in part to the business owners.  The electrical grids, which were funded by tax money, belong in part to the business owners.  In fact, every aspect that Obama wants to claim is a public resource was paid for by, you guessed it, tax money!  So fuck Obama, these people did build their own businesses, using resources that we all collectively paid for!

I’d love to see a liberal actually prove that these business owners used things that were funded by only the government, since the government has no money whatsoever without the taxpayer.  Everything in this nation belongs to the people, not to the government!  Everything, every government building, every public park, every inch of road, we own all of it!  It’s not a government handout, I and every other American taxpayer had that money forcibly pulled out of our paychecks and put into those things.

If I carried cash, I’d pull out my wallet and give you $5.  Oh wait, the government printed that money, it must belong to them!  All hail, federal government, whatever would we do without you?

6 thoughts on “Liberals and Government Handouts

  1. A lot to respond to… I’ll do just a few.

    If you’ve never taken a tax credit (some of which may be refundable even if you owe no taxes) I think you have a poor tax preparer. Obviously a refund of overpaid taxes is not a handout to you. But a refundable tax credit IS a handout, and perhaps this is what your liberal irritant was talking about.

    You do not exist independently of government. There are, occasionally, some folks who try to go it alone (Sealand, for example) but it’s not sustainable. Anywhere worth going where people have not already set up a government, you will have to make deals with people, make and enforce rules, defend your territory, and so forth. That’s government, and it’s not without expense.

    The government does not steal your money. Your government protects certain of your rights as agreed on by your fellow citizens. In exchange, you pay a reasonable amount. While it is mostly involuntary, it is not theft. The rules can be changed, via the election of people who will change the rules.

    You should have some control of the money deducted from your paycheck. You can prevent “theft” (overpayment) by working with your HR department to arrive at a value closer to what you’ll actually owe. However, if you underpay during the year, you may (correctly) face interest or penalties for late payment.

    Social security and similar programs are not paid in advance. How would that even happen? When these were put in place, the funds that were paid in went right out again to that year’s recipients (lucky for them…) That’s the whole reason there’s even an issue, because there are relatively fewer younger adults to pay for the booming senior population than there were for past generations. No generation pays for itself. Young adults pay for seniors. And as with any insurance program, many don’t get what they paid into it. That’s just expected, or it wouldn’t work.

    “Obama wants us to think that business owners didn’t really build their own businesses”. If you’ve been paying any attention, you know this impression was generated as a result of creative editing. View the entire clip. If you’re going to “fuck Obama”, at least be honest.

    “Those business owners paid their taxes, therefore the roads…” If you follow the money, those businesses got their money from customers. THEY are the people who demanded products and services of such a business, whose cash grew the business rather than its competitors, and in turn paid for the roads. Do you see where this is going? The point is it’s not a solo effort. Some people obviously share most of the responsibility, but nobody has ever done it alone. Business, government, and individuals are all required.

    Last, as for you owning it all, that hasn’t been true for decades. As long as the country has any debt held by foreign individuals, corporations, or states, you do not own it all. One thing we probably agree on is that at the rate spending is going, some of your creditors are going to start demanding an end to the free ride you’ve all been getting at their expense.

    1. The problem is, you're confusing inticements with entitlements. An entitlement is something given to an individual or group with no strings, formal or informal, attached. It's a payoff, nothing more. An enticement, however, is a short-term credit designed to insure long-term increases in revenue. It's essentially the same thing that stores do every week when they put things on sale. They reduce their income on those items, perhaps even losing money for every purchase, but they bring people into their stores and most of them will spend far more money than the store is losing with their loss-leader. The same is true of things the government does. Take the mortgage interest tax credit, for instance. It is designed to encourage people to buy homes and other investment properties, thus getting them to pay property taxes. It also increases the amount of sales tax they pay as they generally shop near home. It also increases utility revenues, both directly and indirectly. It also increases community stability, more homeowners usually means less crime and better-educated citizens. Yes, they are doing it, but only because they are directly profiting from the action.

  2. Remember you are not an individual. You don't have any enticement to better yourself. You are a whole conscience kinda crap and must be one in harmony with the world. There is no *you* or *me*. Only *Us* and *we* exist so we must have everything come from the magical hat the Government has they can pull things out of whenever they feel motivated to do so.

    Remember we are a victim of the economy and cannot better ourselves even though true capitalism hasn't happen since before the 1930s depression. We must bow down to those in power who obviously know better about what's best for us since those evil corporations have monopolies due to corny capitalism since the 1930s that allow monopolies to get too big but the government won't admit they helped allowed that to happen..

    End sarcasm.

    1. There is no pure individuality, sorry. We are a social species, we require social interaction to survive and thrive, whether you like it or not. There needs to be a balance between individualism and the social contract. I also don't know where you're getting the whole "government magic hat" thing, you probably ought to go read a liberal website for that kind of nonsense.

  3. In other words there is no individuality allowed in a state ran system so no need for trying to better yourself since the government will just take what you earn.

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